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‘Fully Vaccinated’ Are COVID ‘Super-Spreaders,’ Says Inventor of mRNA Technology

Dr. Robert Malone, recognized for his role in inventing the platform for the mRNA technology, told Justin Williams in this episode of The Hidden Gateway podcast: “The idea that if you have a workplace where everybody’s vaccinated, you’re not going to have virus spread is totally false. A total lie.”

Juliet Bonnay
11 November 2021

Dr. Malone is at his best in this wide-ranging, down-to-earth, and truthful podcast that causes him to reflect, “there’s not a whole lot of thinking going on,” and that contrary to popular belief, the vaccinated are the Covid super spreaders.

The discussion covers the following topics:

  • Dr. Malone’s background and his father-in-law as mentor [3:00]
  • Developing the mRNA technology platform and how it came about. [5:52]
  • Criticism of COVID vaccines. [13:45:]
  • Protecting personal freedom against coercion regarding medical experiments. The Nuremberg Trials. [18:20]
  • Do the vaccines work? [22:05]
  • Vaccine mandates, and why the unvaccinated need protection from the vaccinated. [26:50]
  • Viral evolution to escape the vaccine – the 800 pound gorilla in the room. [30:35]
  • SARS-CoV-2: a laboratory-engineered pathogen. [35:30]
  • The ‘noble lie’ to keep the public in the dark. [45:33]
  • The new form of imperialism: vaccines used as a lever for diplomatic purposes to advance the interests of countries and nation states – not to mention Pfizer. [59:07]
  • Coordinated campaign against Ivermectin [1:00:00]
  • Population control – “I hope to God that this is not the case…” [1:14:00]
  • Tony Fauci and Robert Kennedy Jr’s exposé, for which Malone wrote the prologue. [1:15:27]
  • People tell Dr. Malone, “We have to create a different way…” [1:19:40]
  • Four investment companies and their masters control us all. [1:22:14]
  • The three groups that are not happy with what is going on. [1:25:35]
  • What can we the people do? [1:28:00]
  • How can people safeguard their health. [1:37:20]

Do the Vaccines Actually Work?

Dr. Malone said that the Pfizer vaccine is between (depending on which study you choose) 39 and 60 percent, more or less, effective at preventing infection – but matched to the current circulating variants. He said that the vaccines peter out and only provide protection for six months or maybe less, which is why boosters are needed.

Malone compares this with what is unfolding in Israel among its mostly fully vaccinated citizens – except for an older group of fundamental religious Jews who oppose vaccines. Israel is now experiencing more death and disease than they did 12 months ago, which Malone sees as a predictor of what could happen in the States six months down the road.

Dr. Mercola pointed out that “Pfizer admits it is treating Israel as a unique ‘laboratory’ to assess COVID jab effects. Whatever happens in Israel can reliably be expected to happen elsewhere, months later.” He added, which is contrary to popular belief about the protection from vaccines:

Vaccine failure is also evident in Israeli data showing fully vaccinated are at higher risk of severe illness when infected with SARS-CoV-2 or any of its variants than unvaccinated, and now make up the bulk of COVID-related hospitalizations and deaths.

Of special concern to the Israelis is that there has been such a high number of vaccine injuries and deaths that a platform was created called the Testimonies Project where people can tell their personal stories to ensure their voices are heard.

But will anyone’s voice be heard? Dr. Malone pointed out that “we’ve got propaganda on top of censorship and on top of people just not thinking very clearly because they’re frantic.” Elaborating he said, “I think that the folks at the top, in the public health infrastructure, are scared out of their brains right now because they know what’s happening in Israel.” He mentioned that the Director of the CDC and Director of the FDA had recently overruled their advisors. All he can think of is that they are desperate, and then quickly added, “Or they are totally in the tank with Pfizer?”

The ‘800 Pound Gorilla’

Perhaps the most important message Dr. Robert Malone gave during this podcast was what he referred to as the “the big ugly…the 800 pound gorilla in the room”: viral evolution to escape the vaccine.

Flying in the face of best scientific practice, we vaccinated into the Covid-19 outbreak, causing the virus to evolve to escape vaccine pressure. This made the vaccines “leaky,” Dr Malone said, and a ‘leaky vaccine’ does not protect you very well from getting infected.

The huge problem with this, Dr. Malone explained, was that unbeknown to the vaccinated, the virus replicates in their body so they can still spread it. And because they may not have as many, or any, symptoms, they feel well enough to go to work and do other things in the community where they then spread the virus and infect others – the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. “This is what folks haven’t thought through,” said Malone. “That means the vaccinated that get infected are basically going to be super spreaders.”

Further he added:

We’ve all heard that we’re in horrible danger because of the unvaccinated. But if you think about that it doesn’t make any sense at all because if you’ve taken the jab, and the jab is worth a tinker’s dam, and somebody else comes in who hasn’t taken the jab and is infected, you should be protected, right? That makes sense…and you shouldn’t be too worried about the unvaccinated.

However, the unvaccinated, they’ve got a problem because the vaccinated that are infected are walking around feeling just fine, shedding virus like crazy… Despite the vilification of the unvaccinated as not doing the ‘right’ thing and putting everyone at risk by not getting vaccinated…

the truth is that the people who are putting us at most risk are the vaccinated. So, what we’ve really got to do is protect the unvaccinated from the vaccinated.

This then runs into the vaccine mandate issue, where people are erroneously told that by taking the jab they will not get infected and spread Covid to co-workers. “The logic is,” said Malone, “if you have a workplace where everybody’s taken the jab, you’re not going to have virus spread. That’s falseIf you are being told that, you are being lied to.” 

Consequences of a Rushed Vaccine

Dr. Malone said that what we have is vaccine products that were rushed. And this may be the crux of the problem. Normally a vaccine takes at least a decade to get through and get licensed. While Dr. Malone can understand why they pushed them, what he cannot understand is this: 

  • Why are they mandating them?
  • Why have they bent so many rules?
  • Why haven’t theydone the necessary safety testing?
  • Why wasn’t there more safety data on the vaccines?

The video below clearly shows the scheming behind these questions. In a clip from October 2019 of Fauci with Michael Specter, a journalist from The New Yorker and also an adjunct professor of bioengineering at Stanford University, and Rick Bright, the director of HHS Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), in a panel discussion on how to enforce a Universal Flu Vaccination in a summit organized by Milken Institute in Washington, Dr. Fauci acknowledges the problem of the decade-long time needed to test new vaccines, and together they discuss a way to circumvent the “bureaucratic strings and processes” by addressing “the problem in a disruptive and in an iterative way” – maybe “an outbreak of novel avian virus could occur in China somewhere.”

Since that majorly “disruptive” way was found to implement a universal vaccine, Dr. Malone regards the database the CDC set up to analyse the [vaccine] safety signals is broken and inadequate. Now that more safety data is available, “it’s not all good,” he said. And it flies in the face of the government mantra that the vaccines were “perfect, they were 100% effective, and they were perfectly safe.” Dr. Malone knew that wasn’t true, and he was aware that there was data showing that that wasn’t true, and it wasn’t being disclosed to the public.

Important data that has received no attention from mainstream media is the Department of Defense’s Project Salus study, that shows how serious the breakthrough infections really are. “One indication of how important the data are,” writes Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn , “is that the official website giving the data was taken down.” However it is available on this site. Dr. Hirschhorn writes about the study:

The title of the report is “Effectiveness of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines Against the Delta Variant Among 5.6 Million Medicare Beneficiaries 65 Years and Older,” dated September 28, 2021.

The DOD study got access to the medical data for those people who were fully vaccinated.  Of that group, 2.7 million got the Pfizer shot and 2.9 million got the Moderna one.  Here are key findings:

• There were 161,000 breakthrough cases.
• There were 33,000 hospitalizations.
• There were 10,400 intensive care unit admissions.
• There were 3,381 deaths for a death rate of 2.1%.

Dr. Hirschhorn points out in his article that the 65 years and older population are “especially vulnerable to having immune systems unable to block a breakthrough infection when the vaccine immunity seriously degrades.”

Below is the slide deck from Project Salus showing the disturbing breakthrough infection data in the over 65s.

Not only have breakthrough cases taken a toll on the elderly, but the elderly also have the highest percentage of vaccine deaths for their age group in the U.S. as of 17 September 2021.

Dr. Mike Yeadon, former Pfizer Vice President and Chief Science Officer said, “I think it’s highly likely that the next phase will involve death [from Covid “vaccine”] on a scale which will dwarf the claims of ‘covid-19 deaths’ to date.”

As for children, Dr. Malone believes that the risk benefit ratio does not justify vaccinating children – which many others are also saying, and that it makes no sense just now to vaccinate them.

Protection of Personal Freedom is Paramount

Dr. Malone believes it is important to protect people’s personal freedom, which includes the freedom to control what medicines and injections they receive.  People have the right to decide or not, to submit to a medical procedure. To make such a decision based on their own free choice people absolutely must:

  • Be given full disclosure of adverse event risks.
  • Have the risks stated in a way that they can understand them – particularly with experimental products.
  • Not be coerced (Biden telling people they have to get the shot), enticed, given monetary awards, or free shotguns or ice-creams, etc.

Malone reminded us of what happened during WWII when the Germans subjected Jews and other prisoners to horrible medical procedures against their will and justified it as being for “the common good” so doctors could learn things to protect the German troops at the Russian front and in Finland. After the Nuremberg Trials those doctors were hanged and Malone said that the decision was made in the West that “we were not going to do those things anymore. Yet, from time to time we seem to forget, and of course, Tuskegee is one example, and frankly, this is another example… And it is not right.” Malone then issued this warning:

We’re going to live to regret it… The Federal Government, I guarantee, is going to live to regret this.

The ‘Noble Lie’

Dr. Malone said that “if the government isn’t going to disclose to you what the [vaccine] risks are, and they’re not going to disclose to you what’s really going on because they think that you can’t handle the news, this is called the noble lie“. He called it ‘paternalistic authoritarianism’ that dates back to Plato’s time and Ancient Greek philosophy which argues that it’s  “okay for politicians and people in authority positions to lie to the general public because they have special knowledge and ability to understand things … and the general public can’t cope with that level of information. And so it’s okay to lie to them.”

“I really disagree with this line of thinking,” he said. Apart from being unethical, he said people have the right to know…to understand, and to make their own decisions, “yet it has been public policy in the United States, and worldwide in public health, for a very long time.”

Malone mentioned the Federal Register, which is the official publication of the Federal Government for laws, etc. In particular, he mentioned the edition of the Federal Register from the auspicious year of 1984. “At the time they were doing a polio vaccine campaign,” he said:

…and there’s an explicit statement that any information, which would cause people to not accept the vaccine, will be suppressed whether it’s true or not. So, it’s in the register that this is the federal policy, is to lie to people if the government official thinks that knowing the truth would cause somebody to be hesitant about taking a vaccine.

In my own humble opinion, the truth of the matter is this: If people are lied to about what is really happening regarding SARS-CoV-2 and the so-called ‘vaccines’ meant to protect us, these lies prevent all of us from maintaining our personal freedom. Of choice. Of maintaining personal integrity. On all levels.

Where Did SARS-CoV-2 Originate?

With all the data that’s coming out and the FOI releases, Malone said:

…this looks like a laboratory-engineered pathogen, this looks like a gain of function pathogen. It has key clear hallmarks, and we now have a key paper trail that our government was funding gain of function mutation research with precisely this kind of virus, using precisely these particular areas that have been mutated, and they were told to cut it out, stop doing it. And, so what in their infinite wisdom Tony Fauci et al just said, ‘Well, that’s okay, we’ll just ship all the money to China, and have them do it in their Wuhan lab… The data are showing pretty clearly that it’s the USA Government and the CCCP that were working together that resulted in this virus. So how come it got loose?

Malone said that anything is possible – even an intentional release of it. He pointed out that the funding for this type of research continued even after the outbreak, which he said was quite mind-bending. Malone made the point that if he was Tony Fauci, he couldn’t live with what has happened: the death of millions, the destruction of economies, the psychological damage to children… And he would have come clean and tried to do something to fix the devastation it has caused.

At the time of this interview, Dr. Malone was editing and writing the Prologue for Robert Kennedy Jr’s book on Tony Fauci. What he was reading was blowing his mind because he thought he was an insider and knew what went down with HIV. He said:

I had no idea. The thing that is mind bending is that it was like the training script for what’s going down now – almost to the letter. The press manipulation, the pharmaceutical industry integration, the manipulation of the FDA…it’s all there. And it’s all been done before…and it’s the same guys each time. It’s like they’re just playing it out again and we’re just toys… There seems to be guys there at the top that just feel like they can play with us like we’re little tin men, and they don’t have to care about us and our families and our lives. They seem to feel like they’re above that. So people that live in that world…that travel in jet planes…their own private jets and go to Davos and rub shoulders with very important people, and talk about how they’re going to spend their money and how they’re gonna make more… I don’t know what world they live in; it’s not my world.

Is There A Population Control Agenda?

When Williams asked Dr. Malone his thoughts about the vaccine being used as a possible population control agenda, he said:

That’s really dark… I hope to God that this is not the case… But we have all these key bigwigs like Bill Gates talking about the need for population control and population reduction. I’m told – I haven’t seen it – that their target is about 800 million for global population. That’s a pretty big cut… I don’t know what to think anymore… The rules are all gone. I feel like as somebody who has dedicated his life to science and medicine and vaccine development that the rug has been pulled out from under me. It’s like I’m falling down the rabbit hole…and I don’t know how far down the hole goes. I don’t know how deep all this corruption and conspiracy goes. And I sure hope that it’s not that…

And so, could they be thinking about things like this, like population control?

I can’t say that it’s not possible. There’s this whole theme: Don’t let a good crisis go to waste. Even it was an accident this lab leak happened, let’s just say it was for the sake of discussion, and it took off the way it took off. Let’s say they didn’t expect that, does that mean six months down the road they weren’t all talking to each other going, “Mmm… How can we make a good thing out of this?” I can’t imagine they weren’t thinking like that. These folks, from what I know about them, I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t be figuring out some way they could make a buck off of this or advance their agenda or whatever.

We now know that Bill Gates certainly has these thoughts (see video below).

People Aren’t Happy With What’s Going On

What can the public do about our current situation? Malone considers that in the short term it’s “pretty grim.” He said that the current Federal Government has used enormously powerful levers to enforce the vaccine mandates. For instance, if a hospital doesn’t have 70% or more of their employees vaccinated, their ability to get Medicare/MEDICAID dollars can be revoked, which can force the hospital into bankruptcy, and businesses that accepted financial assistance during lockdown have to return this money if they don’t get 70% of their employees vaccinated. Malone knows that the nurses are not taking the jab because of what they see day in and day out. They know the vaccines are not safe.

Malone said that a new form of imperialism has emerged that is “shocking and yet not shocking.” He further added:

Vaccines are being used as a lever…for diplomatic purposes to advance the interests of countries and nation states – not to mention Pfizer. So you see these Pfizer contracts that have terms and conditions like “If you breach our contract then you will forfeit this airbase.”

He said that we have reached the situation where four investment companies and their masters control us all. It is “one ring rules them all” thinking – a world in which many of us don’t want to live. This has caused many people to reflect on where we are heading. For myself, the movie Field of Dreams comes to mind. I see Doc stepping over the line (and thereby forfeiting his dream of playing baseball with the best) to save a little girl’s life, and I in turn have let go of my dream to become an artist in my retirement to write and share information that will help people become aware of the truth of what is happening and the drivers squeezing us between a rock and a hard place. Malone also reflected on how his life has changed:

I started off thinking that I was going to be a champion for bio-ethics and a champion for safe and ethical vaccine development. That was going to be my shtick. Then its morphed, it’s changed over time, and now I realize this is really about the tension between collective, and personal freedom. This is really about personal freedom. And the vaccines are just the playing field and all these authoritarian policies… The thing that I find amazing about it, is it cuts across left and right, democrat, republican, black, white… The press loves to get us to fight, to be two separate things and to be in opposition…to set us apart to be against each other… But what I see is the response to the authoritarianism and these kinda mandates… That kind of thinking is making people really aware that personal freedom matters, and the rights of individuals and the rights to control your body… It kind of feels that we have gotten away from that a little bit.

Now that seems to be more important than whether you’re a democrat or a republican or left or right or whatever, and so you have people coming together, people that are traditional democrats, and have been forever, and they’re going, “I don’t like this.” And people who have been on the right that are more libertarian…people are coming together in a different way. I think it’s good because it has given us something we can all talk about. We don’t have to get down in our foxholes throwing mud at each other. It really does kind of get back to, “Are you an American?” I never thought I’d be talking like this.

Malone said that there are three groups that are not happy about what is going on: African Americans, mothers, and young adults. And since the coalition that the Democrats have put together requires these three groups, he sees a big change coming for better or worse if the powers that be don’t wake up soon.

How You Can Safeguard Your Health

Malone advised everyone to go and get their Vitamin D levels tested, and if you are low, get the right supplements, not just anything. Vitamin D matters, and it’s too late to take it once you’ve got the disease. You have to get it in now!  Vitamin D helps your immune system. Zinc also matters. Treatments like Ivermectin and Hydroxychloraquine used with these supplements have saved lives. But Malone stressed that you must get in early and not wait until you are so sick you need hospitalization, for that is what is killing people. Early treatment is a high priority. 

However, he said that for some crazy reason, governments and the press are discouraging the use of these early treatments. He claims that this policy has caused 450,000 excess deaths in the United States.

Malone’s final words:

You don’t have to fear this. We get bombarded by stuff  saying, “You should be afraid…you should be afraid…” All these kids in the hospitals should be afraid. We’re constantly having fear pushed at us. Don’t buy into that. That’s how they sell clicks. That how they sell newspapers. You do not have to be afraid of this. In Norway they’ve just declared, as far as they’re concerned, it’s like the flu… Don’t let them dominate your lives with fear. That’s from the heart.


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